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	<title>Comments on: 50+1: The Club Ownership Issue in the Bundesliga</title>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/1-bundesliga/501-the-club-ownership-issue-in-the-bundesliga.html#comment-2433</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes and no. I think that a lot of football clubs suffer from mediocre/unprofessional management. There are some reasons why Bayern Munich is so rich, and one is because Uli Hoeness is a very good manager. Investors can help professionalise the management of clubs, but a lot of clubs are doing so/have done so on their own, and benefit from it. So, investors can help here, but they aren&#039;t a necessity.

Investors can also accelerate the economic growth of a club with initial cash injections. But it&#039;s not a necessity either.

But I think that over the next few years, the Bundesliga will probably make things easier for investors, but most probably with something more severe than EPL&#039;s laughable &quot;fit and proper person test&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes and no. I think that a lot of football clubs suffer from mediocre/unprofessional management. There are some reasons why Bayern Munich is so rich, and one is because Uli Hoeness is a very good manager. Investors can help professionalise the management of clubs, but a lot of clubs are doing so/have done so on their own, and benefit from it. So, investors can help here, but they aren&#8217;t a necessity.</p>
<p>Investors can also accelerate the economic growth of a club with initial cash injections. But it&#8217;s not a necessity either.</p>
<p>But I think that over the next few years, the Bundesliga will probably make things easier for investors, but most probably with something more severe than EPL&#8217;s laughable &#8220;fit and proper person test&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Inara</title>
		<link>http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/1-bundesliga/501-the-club-ownership-issue-in-the-bundesliga.html#comment-2350</link>
		<dc:creator>Inara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true, commercialism does devalue the sporting value. But the fact is, if you want to compete in today&#039;s world, you need a lot of money. Obviously Bundesliga clubs have a lot of talent, and in my opinion, some of the best coaches in Europe, but Bayern have so much more money that it really makes the scale uneven, and even big clubs like Werder and Schalke can&#039;t compete over a long period of time while the smaller clubs struggle in the UEFA Cup.  

I think when done the right way, investing is a good thing because football is (unfortunately) a business. And as you said Jan, it&#039;s especially a good option for a small club that that has a long term plan. It did wonders for Lyon, which was a backwater second division club only 20 years ago, but now it&#039;s the 12th richest club in Europe. And yet Lyon have still managed to hang onto their social responsibilities and maintain their local identity. Though most French clubs are still actually &quot;family run,&quot; clubs like Toulouse and Le Mans are taking the Lyon approach, which is gradually inviting investors into the fold.

The key is creating laws to prevent EPL like situations. Again, I&#039;m only speaking from a French perspective, but one way the LFP regulates investors is by rigorously screening every buyer. Marseille&#039;s owner tried to sell the club last year but the LFP blocked it, saying that the buyer didn&#039;t meet their standards. The LFP also doesn&#039;t allow a club to end the year running in the red, so no French clubs have massive debts (or they get relegated). Clubs like MU, Inter, and Chelsea wouldn&#039;t be able to play in the French topflight (now there&#039;s a thought!).

I might be in the minority, but I think greater cash flow into the Bundesliga could make the league more competitive and challenge the hegemony of the big three. It would also allow the smaller clubs to hang onto their talent and not have it sucked up by Bayern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true, commercialism does devalue the sporting value. But the fact is, if you want to compete in today&#8217;s world, you need a lot of money. Obviously Bundesliga clubs have a lot of talent, and in my opinion, some of the best coaches in Europe, but Bayern have so much more money that it really makes the scale uneven, and even big clubs like Werder and Schalke can&#8217;t compete over a long period of time while the smaller clubs struggle in the UEFA Cup.  </p>
<p>I think when done the right way, investing is a good thing because football is (unfortunately) a business. And as you said Jan, it&#8217;s especially a good option for a small club that that has a long term plan. It did wonders for Lyon, which was a backwater second division club only 20 years ago, but now it&#8217;s the 12th richest club in Europe. And yet Lyon have still managed to hang onto their social responsibilities and maintain their local identity. Though most French clubs are still actually &#8220;family run,&#8221; clubs like Toulouse and Le Mans are taking the Lyon approach, which is gradually inviting investors into the fold.</p>
<p>The key is creating laws to prevent EPL like situations. Again, I&#8217;m only speaking from a French perspective, but one way the LFP regulates investors is by rigorously screening every buyer. Marseille&#8217;s owner tried to sell the club last year but the LFP blocked it, saying that the buyer didn&#8217;t meet their standards. The LFP also doesn&#8217;t allow a club to end the year running in the red, so no French clubs have massive debts (or they get relegated). Clubs like MU, Inter, and Chelsea wouldn&#8217;t be able to play in the French topflight (now there&#8217;s a thought!).</p>
<p>I might be in the minority, but I think greater cash flow into the Bundesliga could make the league more competitive and challenge the hegemony of the big three. It would also allow the smaller clubs to hang onto their talent and not have it sucked up by Bayern.</p>
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		<title>By: online sports guy</title>
		<link>http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/1-bundesliga/501-the-club-ownership-issue-in-the-bundesliga.html#comment-2349</link>
		<dc:creator>online sports guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather Germany did not unleash the beast that is commercialism. I like the football in Germany and the less corporate it is the better. There are many owners in England who have simply come in to milk the cash cow. It sickens me. Where were these investors in the 1970&#039;s before TV money and the middle classes got interested in the sport?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather Germany did not unleash the beast that is commercialism. I like the football in Germany and the less corporate it is the better. There are many owners in England who have simply come in to milk the cash cow. It sickens me. Where were these investors in the 1970&#8217;s before TV money and the middle classes got interested in the sport?</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the EPL didn&#039;t help reduce prejudices and stereotypes towards investors/eccentric club owners.

Maybe some egos play part in this as well, who fear losing control/power/influence.

A lot of tradition and history plays a part. Clubs have always been, as mentioned, non-profit institutions, who don&#039;t just do football as a business but carry a lot of social responsibility for their city/region. A piece of football culture that is dear to many people, who fear investors would kill this.

You don&#039;t necessarily need investors to run an economically successful club either.

BUT: investors can definitely help accelerate things. There are some potentially great clubs with modern 50000 capacity stadiums in the third and fourth division (Düsseldorf and Leipzig). Those would be ideal candidates for a long term project. A club like Berlin could also speed up it&#039;s economic consolidation with the help of an investor. It can obviously be a very positive thing for the Bundesliga - creating a greater depth of strong teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the EPL didn&#8217;t help reduce prejudices and stereotypes towards investors/eccentric club owners.</p>
<p>Maybe some egos play part in this as well, who fear losing control/power/influence.</p>
<p>A lot of tradition and history plays a part. Clubs have always been, as mentioned, non-profit institutions, who don&#8217;t just do football as a business but carry a lot of social responsibility for their city/region. A piece of football culture that is dear to many people, who fear investors would kill this.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t necessarily need investors to run an economically successful club either.</p>
<p>BUT: investors can definitely help accelerate things. There are some potentially great clubs with modern 50000 capacity stadiums in the third and fourth division (Düsseldorf and Leipzig). Those would be ideal candidates for a long term project. A club like Berlin could also speed up it&#8217;s economic consolidation with the help of an investor. It can obviously be a very positive thing for the Bundesliga &#8211; creating a greater depth of strong teams.</p>
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		<title>By: Inara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn&#039;t the Bundesliga want investors taking over a club? Granted there is the EPL in one extreme, but given the correct set of regulations, it can work out rather well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t the Bundesliga want investors taking over a club? Granted there is the EPL in one extreme, but given the correct set of regulations, it can work out rather well.</p>
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		<title>By: Abby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha. I&#039;ve often wondered about that- I&#039;d heard there were systems in place to keep someone from just buying a Bundesliga team, but I wasn&#039;t sure what they were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha. I&#8217;ve often wondered about that- I&#8217;d heard there were systems in place to keep someone from just buying a Bundesliga team, but I wasn&#8217;t sure what they were.</p>
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