Comments on: 10 Things we learned from Matchday 23 http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/1-bundesliga/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html News from The German Bundesliga Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:54:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: diana http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/1-bundesliga/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4974 diana Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:33:05 +0000 http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/teams/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4974 Jan, since there's no Bundesliga coverage on the TV over here (meh, even Bayern's Asian tour at the end of this season only excites me for a while given Indonesia is one of the club's stops and the country is just down south over where I live), that is the next best thing in terms of a Bundesliga preview show for me. That's what it's mainly about. 'On The Spot' is an interview segment. It's my most favourite segement on Bundesliga Kick Off actually. :-) DW's website has a page on what this week's programme has - http://www.dw-world.de/dw/0,2142,8293,00.html Jan, since there’s no Bundesliga coverage on the TV over here (meh, even Bayern’s Asian tour at the end of this season only excites me for a while given Indonesia is one of the club’s stops and the country is just down south over where I live), that is the next best thing in terms of a Bundesliga preview show for me. That’s what it’s mainly about.

‘On The Spot’ is an interview segment. It’s my most favourite segement on Bundesliga Kick Off actually. :-)

DW’s website has a page on what this week’s programme has – http://www.dw-world.de/dw/0,2142,8293,00.html

]]> By: Jan http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/1-bundesliga/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4972 Jan Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:03:32 +0000 http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/teams/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4972 Luke, Bayer Leverkusen and Wolfsburg are something of a specialty of the Bundesliga. You are absolutely right about the structural limits of those clubs. The old Bayer Leverkusen, that reached the CL final was living beyond its means, so the new Bayer which is building a team of promising youngsters is much more realistic as well. Though, in that sense you could say the same about Bremen and their structural limits. So, you could argue that these teams currently block the top spots in the league and thus effectively slow down or harm the growth opportunities of all the sleeping giants, who don't yet have the funds to build competitive squads, but whose growth perspectives are far far beyond the likes of Leverkusen. So, for the sake of having true top teams who reach the financial heights of Bayern you should root for Hamburg and Schalke to take the CL spots. But it's a sport after all and Bremen and Leverkusen absolutely deserve being where they are. They also play the most entertaining football at the moment actually. Ideally Leverkusen, Wolfsburg and eventually Hoffenheim would be a great addition to the Bundesliga, when they add depth and quality to the league on top of the big cities. Luke, Bayer Leverkusen and Wolfsburg are something of a specialty of the Bundesliga. You are absolutely right about the structural limits of those clubs. The old Bayer Leverkusen, that reached the CL final was living beyond its means, so the new Bayer which is building a team of promising youngsters is much more realistic as well. Though, in that sense you could say the same about Bremen and their structural limits. So, you could argue that these teams currently block the top spots in the league and thus effectively slow down or harm the growth opportunities of all the sleeping giants, who don’t yet have the funds to build competitive squads, but whose growth perspectives are far far beyond the likes of Leverkusen. So, for the sake of having true top teams who reach the financial heights of Bayern you should root for Hamburg and Schalke to take the CL spots. But it’s a sport after all and Bremen and Leverkusen absolutely deserve being where they are. They also play the most entertaining football at the moment actually.

Ideally Leverkusen, Wolfsburg and eventually Hoffenheim would be a great addition to the Bundesliga, when they add depth and quality to the league on top of the big cities.

]]> By: Jan http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/1-bundesliga/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4970 Jan Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:39:53 +0000 http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/teams/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4970 Abby, Luke already explained most aspects of why Stuttgart might already be ahead of Bremen. It's also worth mentioning that the first vs the third ranked team in the Bundesliga gets more Champions League money. I'm sure the Daimler stadium also has far more hospitality/VIP areas due to FIFA's World Cup demands. If you pay attention to the advertising boards on the sidelines during their matches, you'll also get an idea what type of sponsors Stuttgart can rely on in their area (as in: Porsche). Stuttgart have also finally fought off the track and field community, who'll move to a smaller ground, so the Daimler stadium can be turned into a pure football stadium with a Frankfurt like roof and video cube. Unless steel costs drive this project ad absurdum as well. Abby, Luke already explained most aspects of why Stuttgart might already be ahead of Bremen. It’s also worth mentioning that the first vs the third ranked team in the Bundesliga gets more Champions League money. I’m sure the Daimler stadium also has far more hospitality/VIP areas due to FIFA’s World Cup demands. If you pay attention to the advertising boards on the sidelines during their matches, you’ll also get an idea what type of sponsors Stuttgart can rely on in their area (as in: Porsche). Stuttgart have also finally fought off the track and field community, who’ll move to a smaller ground, so the Daimler stadium can be turned into a pure football stadium with a Frankfurt like roof and video cube. Unless steel costs drive this project ad absurdum as well.

]]> By: Jan http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/1-bundesliga/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4969 Jan Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:32:07 +0000 http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/teams/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4969 Diana, since moving to digital sat I actually get DW TV as well, so I might finally check out what this show is all about. OK, presumably Bundesliga, but for Lulu's sake I'll still try to watch it. Diana, since moving to digital sat I actually get DW TV as well, so I might finally check out what this show is all about. OK, presumably Bundesliga, but for Lulu’s sake I’ll still try to watch it.

]]> By: Jan http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/1-bundesliga/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4968 Jan Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:30:21 +0000 http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/teams/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4968 Colman, good point about Bayer and Bayern as well. Anyway, Bayer Leverkusen is the only club in Germany, that is named after a company, so it's easy to assume that Bayern is just another club prefix in Germany and that Bayer is a typo. Anyway, Chris (aka Johnny) has already suggested some sort of vocabulary training feature for the Bundesliga Offside and I then told him what a great idea it was and never touched it again. But I might finally get it done.:-) Colman, good point about Bayer and Bayern as well. Anyway, Bayer Leverkusen is the only club in Germany, that is named after a company, so it’s easy to assume that Bayern is just another club prefix in Germany and that Bayer is a typo. Anyway, Chris (aka Johnny) has already suggested some sort of vocabulary training feature for the Bundesliga Offside and I then told him what a great idea it was and never touched it again. But I might finally get it done.:-)

]]> By: Jan http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/1-bundesliga/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4967 Jan Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:24:15 +0000 http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/teams/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4967 Luke, now it's time to cover the other batch of your comments: 2. It would be unfortunate, if they turn out to be as injury prone. Though Deisler also struggled with the pressure and expectations heaped upon him and I hope everyone learned a lesson here. Bayern does an excellent job shielding Kroos from the public so far, which is important as I don't think the media could stop their hype and expectations machine, which in case of Kroos is running already anyway. 4. It was against Werder Bremen II in the DFB-Pokal. Mario Gomez really likes to play against Werder it seems.:-) 6. Yup, it's Bielefeld but they would have converted one of their chances against a goat. You might be right about the large rodent. So Neuer deserves some credit. I don't expect Schalke to mount a serious challenge on the CL places anyway, but they are still capable of playing better football than they do at the moment. And they should, to have at least a fighting chance in the CL quarter-final. 9. Phil Schoen has his moments. I liked it when he realised Bielefeld had a player called Petr Gabriel, then made a Genesis remark and Ray Hudson didn't even bother reacting.:-) I usually don't mind correct pronunciation too much, because I'm certain lots of the names of foreign players are pronounced wrong all the time as well. I'm also almost never putting the correct accents on Ze Roberto or Ribery and others, so I don't mind people writing Jurgen Klinsmann and Jogi Low as well. Just to give another example. There are limits to being picky if you blog international football.:-) The whole Karlsruher/Hamburger thing always catches my eye as well, but for people who never had one German grammar lesson, it's unfair to expect to get it right. Especially reading about hamburgers in the English football press is annoying though. 10. Bundesliga stadiums (both divisions) need to have a minimum capacity of 15000, so I assume Hoffenheim already received a special permission from the DFL which would be valid for the Bundesliga as well. I would have liked to see Hoffenheim getting 'relocated' to Heidelberg, but there was some argy bargy over it. Mannheim might have been a good choice as well. Will be interesting to see whether the club can win over fans from those cities in the future. Luke, now it’s time to cover the other batch of your comments:
2. It would be unfortunate, if they turn out to be as injury prone. Though Deisler also struggled with the pressure and expectations heaped upon him and I hope everyone learned a lesson here. Bayern does an excellent job shielding Kroos from the public so far, which is important as I don’t think the media could stop their hype and expectations machine, which in case of Kroos is running already anyway.

4. It was against Werder Bremen II in the DFB-Pokal. Mario Gomez really likes to play against Werder it seems.:-)

6. Yup, it’s Bielefeld but they would have converted one of their chances against a goat. You might be right about the large rodent. So Neuer deserves some credit. I don’t expect Schalke to mount a serious challenge on the CL places anyway, but they are still capable of playing better football than they do at the moment. And they should, to have at least a fighting chance in the CL quarter-final.

9. Phil Schoen has his moments. I liked it when he realised Bielefeld had a player called Petr Gabriel, then made a Genesis remark and Ray Hudson didn’t even bother reacting.:-) I usually don’t mind correct pronunciation too much, because I’m certain lots of the names of foreign players are pronounced wrong all the time as well. I’m also almost never putting the correct accents on Ze Roberto or Ribery and others, so I don’t mind people writing Jurgen Klinsmann and Jogi Low as well. Just to give another example. There are limits to being picky if you blog international football.:-) The whole Karlsruher/Hamburger thing always catches my eye as well, but for people who never had one German grammar lesson, it’s unfair to expect to get it right. Especially reading about hamburgers in the English football press is annoying though.

10. Bundesliga stadiums (both divisions) need to have a minimum capacity of 15000, so I assume Hoffenheim already received a special permission from the DFL which would be valid for the Bundesliga as well. I would have liked to see Hoffenheim getting ‘relocated’ to Heidelberg, but there was some argy bargy over it. Mannheim might have been a good choice as well. Will be interesting to see whether the club can win over fans from those cities in the future.

]]> By: Luke http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/1-bundesliga/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4965 Luke Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:56:48 +0000 http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/teams/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4965 Abby: I think Jan was referring to overall revenue for the season in the Bremen-Stuttgart comparison; given that the Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion is about 1/3 larger than the Weserstadion, the gate take alone skews the revenue advantage towards Stuttgart (not to mention that the merchandising frenzy around Stuttgart at the start of this season was probably never higher). But, I haven't looked at *any* of the recent info on club financial health, so I could be writing complete rubbish. Jan: Yes, funny I should forget the Olympiastadion Berlin..but that's sort of an inviolable name isn't it? Surely if Olympiastadion Munich never got a sponsor name, Berlin's won't either. Again, I am almost typing it with a straight face, as one can imagine Hertha has pushed for it, given the debt load they've been under. I think the normal "rules" don't really apply in relation to Bayer Leverkusen and VfL Wolfsburg--These are teams that simply wouldn't exist in anything remotely resembling their current form without their corporate overseers, if you will. I always become alarmed when Leverkusen is on the rise, because there is sort of a structual limit to what they can achieve in my view (I grant this is a very debatable point, looking back a few years)-but this ultimately hurts the entire Bundesliga as a whole, because that's a recipe for a bad UEFA-coefficient season. Abby: I think Jan was referring to overall revenue for the season in the Bremen-Stuttgart comparison; given that the Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion is about 1/3 larger than the Weserstadion, the gate take alone skews the revenue advantage towards Stuttgart (not to mention that the merchandising frenzy around Stuttgart at the start of this season was probably never higher). But, I haven’t looked at *any* of the recent info on club financial health, so I could be writing complete rubbish.

Jan: Yes, funny I should forget the Olympiastadion Berlin..but that’s sort of an inviolable name isn’t it? Surely if Olympiastadion Munich never got a sponsor name, Berlin’s won’t either. Again, I am almost typing it with a straight face, as one can imagine Hertha has pushed for it, given the debt load they’ve been under.

I think the normal “rules” don’t really apply in relation to Bayer Leverkusen and VfL Wolfsburg–These are teams that simply wouldn’t exist in anything remotely resembling their current form without their corporate overseers, if you will. I always become alarmed when Leverkusen is on the rise, because there is sort of a structual limit to what they can achieve in my view (I grant this is a very debatable point, looking back a few years)-but this ultimately hurts the entire Bundesliga as a whole, because that’s a recipe for a bad UEFA-coefficient season.

]]> By: diana http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/1-bundesliga/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4964 diana Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:20:15 +0000 http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/teams/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4964 The Deustche Welle website do publish the interview, Abby. But it only last until the next Bundesliga Kick Off. I always read the transcript after the interview had been done, just in case I miss anything. ;) The Deustche Welle website do publish the interview, Abby. But it only last until the next Bundesliga Kick Off. I always read the transcript after the interview had been done, just in case I miss anything. ;)

]]> By: Abby http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/1-bundesliga/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4963 Abby Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:11:03 +0000 http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/teams/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4963 Great, Diana. Jan and I were already wondering about whether Hertha's new players are going to be picked off by other teams. Now I'm going to be paranoid about it happening with Lulu... ;) I'll have to go looking for that interview when it arrives, although I don't get Deustche Welle here...I have visited their studios in Berlin, though. And Jan, how did Stuttgart out-perform Bremen in regards to CL money? They both went out in the group stages, but Bremen ended up in the UEFA Cup after it. Great, Diana. Jan and I were already wondering about whether Hertha’s new players are going to be picked off by other teams. Now I’m going to be paranoid about it happening with Lulu… ;)

I’ll have to go looking for that interview when it arrives, although I don’t get Deustche Welle here…I have visited their studios in Berlin, though.

And Jan, how did Stuttgart out-perform Bremen in regards to CL money? They both went out in the group stages, but Bremen ended up in the UEFA Cup after it.

]]> By: diana http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/1-bundesliga/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4962 diana Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:43:05 +0000 http://bundesliga.theoffside.com/teams/10-things-we-learned-from-matchday-23.html#comment-4962 In regards to No. 7 Jan...Deustche Welle's Bundesliga Kick Off! will be interviewing Lulu in their 'On The Spot' segment. Deustche Welle is on pay-TV over where I live and so I will be able to know what Lulu will be saying by this Friday (that is when it's on air here). But until then, Deustche Welle's website has an article on the secrets to Lulu's success at Hertha - http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3185592,00.html And regarding No. 1...you didn't leave out anything, Jan. :D In regards to No. 7 Jan…Deustche Welle’s Bundesliga Kick Off! will be interviewing Lulu in their ‘On The Spot’ segment. Deustche Welle is on pay-TV over where I live and so I will be able to know what Lulu will be saying by this Friday (that is when it’s on air here).

But until then, Deustche Welle’s website has an article on the secrets to Lulu’s success at Hertha – http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3185592,00.html

And regarding No. 1…you didn’t leave out anything, Jan. :D

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