

10 Things we learned from Matchday 23
By: Jan | March 11th, 2008
1. It have been tough 42 hours for Bremen.
You can heap quite a bit of misery on a club in a timeframe of just 42 hours. First Tim Wiese helped Glasgow Rangers to a comfortable 2-0 home win in the UEFA Cup. Then Werder was forced to announce, that they had to cancel their planned stadium expansion to 50000 seats due to rising steel costs. Shortly afterwards Stuttgart almost certainly ended Bremen’s title ambitions with a 6-3 victory, while Bayern beat Karlsruhe to extend their lead to seven points. Per Mertesacker saw a red card and will miss the next two matches. I hope I didn’t miss anything.
2. Bayern are cruising.
I’m not sure whether it’s the promise of three titles or heartfelt understanding for Hitzfeld’s rotation policy, but Bayern are free of any conflicts at the moment. No players are showing signs of discontent whether they play or not and games are comfortably won. If Bayern continue like this, they have a good chance for a treble. To the left is Uli Hoeness trying to tell Ribery in broken French, how Bayern wanted Arjen Robben and how Madrid wanted him and how Bayern ended up with him, while Madrid ended up with Robben. They had quite a laugh.
3. Bremen plus Hamburg equals perfect title contender.
It was a weekend that perfectly demonstrated why either Bremen or Hamburg most probably won’t win the Bundesliga. Bremen scored 51 goals so far - more than any other team in the league. They also conceded twice as many goals as Hamburg or three times as many goals as Bayern. They already lost three games in the league this year. Hamburg have yet to lose a Bundesliga match this year and have the second best defensive record in the league. But they have also drawn four matches already, which are far too many for a serious title challenge.
4. There are English and German hat tricks.
Quote from the Wikipedia article:
A hat-trick occurs in football (soccer) when a player scores three goals in a single game, although there are various contrasting interpretations as to the exact criteria of a valid football hat-trick. It is commonly held that the goals can be scored at any time in the match, whether in normal, injury or extra time, and for some this is the only condition necessary to satisfy the definition of a hat-trick. As with other goal-scoring statistics, goals in a penalty shootout are not counted.
There also exists the widely accepted concept of the ‘flawless’ or ‘German’ hat-trick, which differs in that all three goals must be scored consecutively within one period of play.
So, by the stricter German definition Geoff Hurst didn’t score a hat trick against Germany in the 1966 World Cup final and neither did Mario Gomez against Werder Bremen. Mario Gomez is on fire nonetheless.
5. Oliver Kahn declares the next Zidane race to be over.
“We can compare him to Zidane. Because of his technique and of the rhythm he brings during the games and all the things he does on the pitch.” - Oliver Kahn in an interview with Die Welt, following Ribery’s recent outstanding performances. Oliver Kahn is also known as an avid secret reader of the Lyon Offside for which he left a personal message: “Benzema who?”
6. There’s no job too immense when you’ve got confidence.
With an M and an A and an N and a U and an E and an L and a NEUER. Put ‘em all together and you’ve got Mirko Slomka’s job guarantee. Neuer kept a clean sheet against Bielefeld and pulled off a few good saves again, while Varela and Altintop supplied the goals to beat Bielefeld 2-0. As long as Neuer can keep his good form, Slomka has time to make the rest of the team click again.
7. Lulu’s got a temper.
Hertha’s coach Lucien Favre has been known as a rather calm, sober, sensitive, animal and tactics loving coach to the public. So the thought of Favre insulting a referee or otherwise getting in his way, must have been so ridiculous that Babak Rafati probably decided to sent off Marko Pantelic instead. Abby’s got the whole story and video over at the Hertha Offside.
8. Karlsruhe are falling apart.
Karlsruhe are the best newly promoted team in decades with a fair chance to make it to Europe next season, but their winning squad is falling apart more and more every week. It started with Tamas Hajnal, who decided to sign a lucrative contract with Borussia Dortmund, who are well below Karlsruhe in the league table at the moment. Then Andreas Görlitz decided to end his loan spell and return to Bayern Munich to at least be able to say, that he won the Champions League as a bench-warmer. Now Mario Eggimann signed a 5 year contract with Hanover 96, who are also ranked below Karlsruhe at the moment. I can’t wait to learn, which of their players will announce his new club next week.
9. GolTV minus Ray Hudson equals #*!? commentary.
Maybe this is common knowledge for GolTV subscribers, but for someone who scans the internets for his weekend dose of football poetry, this was quite a revelation after watching bits and pieces of GolTV’s coverage of the Stuttgart - Bremen match. They could have just well gone with the Bundesliga’s custom English dude who says oh my goodness one too many times.
10. The teams who will get relegated at least fully deserve it.
Statisticians got the following out of their databases: this years bottom of the table is the worst in 23 years. May it come as some sort of soothing news to them that Derby County racked up 7 points less and already played 5 games more than Cottbus. But who are we, comparing ourselves to the Premier League?
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GolTV sans Ray Hudson is rubbish. His is this generation’s Toby Charles. I think I am *really* dating myself by making that comment.
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Hey Jan, great summary..I’ve got a lot of comments, classified by topic number from the post:
1. There’s an easy solution for the Werder Bremen stadium expansion freeze–sell the stadium naming rights! Karlsruhe is the only other holdout in that regard in the Bundesliga (I don’t count Cottbus, because THEY would have to pay a corporation to put a name on the Stadion der Freundschaft!!). Maybe it’s a matter of local civic pride, local civic chaos, or plain ol’ anti-commercialism, but they’ve now missed out on hosting both the men’s and women’s World Cup.
2. Maybe someone will be unhappy sitting on Wednesday. Let’s hope not. Perhaps we will look back from the year 2020 on Wednesday’s match and say “Yep, that was the first time the legends Breno and Kroos took the field together”. Or maybe they are a pair of Deislers(tm) but it would be nice if they are not.
4. Luca Toni did however, against Hannover. Seems as though Gomez did it earlier this year, but I’m too lazy to look up the match.
6. Let’s get one thing straight-this is Schalke we’re talking about. So hope and rising expectations have no place in the discussion. I am typing that with very nearly a straight face. A goat or large rodent could successfully keep a clean sheet against Bielefeld, so let’s not give them too much credit. They ought to win this week, but then go on the road back to back weeks, and they still have to visit Bremen, Hamburg and Bochum. The schedule is still more favorable to a Stuttgart phoenix-act.
9. It would be fine if Hudson-less games had announcers who knew something of the Bundesliga. Ok Phil Schoen has knowledge, but he usually gets confused and misstates it. Then again, GOL’s graphic for the Bayern match showed “Bayern Munich vs Karlsruher FC”. I don’t know how to break it to them but the logo, appearing right next to the name, clearly shows “KSC”. Come on guys, Sport-Club, look into it. In addition, no one has correctly pronounced “Energie” so far this season, and “Jena” is not pronounced like the president’s daughter. Am I nitpicking a bit?
10 1/2: 1899 Hoffenheim is really an interesting story-anyone who has been following German football closely over the past few years is aware of Hopp’s mission and their “planned” meteoric rise, and now one has to consider them a serious promotion contender from the 2. Liga. The question I’ll throw out there is: their new Bundesliga-worthy stadium won’t be complete until summer 2009–so where the heck would they play next season if promoted? Can’t imagine a capacity 8300 stadium in the Bundesliga. Best idea I’ve come up with so far is Mannheim.
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Excellent comments Luke. I’ll work my way through them, though not all at once, so I’ll start with the Weserstadion.
“1. There’s an easy solution for the Werder Bremen stadium expansion freeze–sell the stadium naming rights! Karlsruhe is the only other holdout in that regard in the Bundesliga (I don’t count Cottbus, because THEY would have to pay a corporation to put a name on the Stadion der Freundschaft!!).”
From what I’ve read the naming rights might have already been included in the original €60m estimate, even if it wasn’t explicitly mentioned. Though, even if they could have still been used to finance the stadium, €68m was probably the current minimum and the costs could have well exploded even more. Leverkusen are currently expanding and renovating their stadium and costs just rose by €14m, forcing Leverkusen to rethink their original plans and probably downgrade their model as well.
It’s also worth mentioning that their original plans estimated €50m which included bringing the curves close to the pitch, build new VIP boxes, renovate and upgrade stadium facilities and upgrade the capacity to 50000. They cancelled plans of redoing the curves and the VIP boxes, because costs were running out of control and still the cost for the slimmed down version rose to €60m. Now they get the new curves, VIP boxes and renovations but no upgrade for a maximum of €60m, so I guess ideally they hope the new plans will be cheaper as well.
It’s nonetheless a very unfortunate situation. Bremen need a better infrastructure to compete financially. Bayern, Schalke and Hamburg are all ahead of Bremen and Dortmund, Stuttgart, Berlin and maybe a few more all have what it would take to do the same in no time. Stuttgart probably already outperformed them this season with their CL revenue.
“Maybe it’s a matter of local civic pride, local civic chaos, or plain ol’ anti-commercialism, but they’ve now missed out on hosting both the men’s and women’s World Cup.”
I think that football clubs aren’t just selling their football - they also sell the stories and events surrounding their football. The history, traditions etc. of a club contribute to the overall “product” and are very valuable assets. For a rather cynical example see how AIG showed their condolences on the Munich air disaster memorial poster at Old Trafford.
I can imagine that Bremen just hold out instead of selling the rights for usually a long period of time (8 years and up), because they can make much more money with the naming rights the longer they wait. Stuttgart were the very first to sell the name for their stadium. Yet it was for an infinite time period and a one-off fee. In retrospect a stupid thing to do, and they can only hope that Daimler will show some mercy in the future and let Stuttgart buy back the naming rights, so they can sell them again.
Oh, and you forgot the most valuable stadium name in the Bundesliga right now and that’s obviously the Olympiastadion in Berlin. This one could make serious money for Hertha and the city of Berlin, who co-own/run the stadium.
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Great summary, Jan. Love reading your posts.
“9. It would be fine if Hudson-less games had announcers who knew something of the Bundesliga. Ok Phil Schoen has knowledge, but he usually gets confused and misstates it. Then again, GOL’s graphic for the Bayern match showed “Bayern Munich vs Karlsruher FC”. I don’t know how to break it to them but the logo, appearing right next to the name, clearly shows “KSC”. Come on guys, Sport-Club, look into it. In addition, no one has correctly pronounced “Energie” so far this season, and “Jena” is not pronounced like the president’s daughter. Am I nitpicking a bit?”
The worst of all is when they just write Karlsruher - FC Bayern. Karlsruher SC = Karlsruher Sport Club = Sport Club of Karlsruhe. The r on the end of Karlsruher simply indicates that it is an adjective. Now that’s nitpicking if there ever was any, but as a speaker of german it ticks me off every time i see it (which is almost every week). Even worse is Bayern Leverkusen. Yes, I understand that all you know about german soccer is that they have a rather good team team called bayern munich, but im sure you’ve popped an aspirin before in your life, and those are made by a pharmaceutical company called Bayer, which is located just outside of cologne, in a small town called Leverkusen.
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In regards to No. 7 Jan…Deustche Welle’s Bundesliga Kick Off! will be interviewing Lulu in their ‘On The Spot’ segment. Deustche Welle is on pay-TV over where I live and so I will be able to know what Lulu will be saying by this Friday (that is when it’s on air here).
But until then, Deustche Welle’s website has an article on the secrets to Lulu’s success at Hertha - http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3185592,00.html
And regarding No. 1…you didn’t leave out anything, Jan.

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Great, Diana. Jan and I were already wondering about whether Hertha’s new players are going to be picked off by other teams. Now I’m going to be paranoid about it happening with Lulu…
I’ll have to go looking for that interview when it arrives, although I don’t get Deustche Welle here…I have visited their studios in Berlin, though.
And Jan, how did Stuttgart out-perform Bremen in regards to CL money? They both went out in the group stages, but Bremen ended up in the UEFA Cup after it.
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The Deustche Welle website do publish the interview, Abby. But it only last until the next Bundesliga Kick Off. I always read the transcript after the interview had been done, just in case I miss anything.

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Abby: I think Jan was referring to overall revenue for the season in the Bremen-Stuttgart comparison; given that the Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion is about 1/3 larger than the Weserstadion, the gate take alone skews the revenue advantage towards Stuttgart (not to mention that the merchandising frenzy around Stuttgart at the start of this season was probably never higher). But, I haven’t looked at *any* of the recent info on club financial health, so I could be writing complete rubbish.
Jan: Yes, funny I should forget the Olympiastadion Berlin..but that’s sort of an inviolable name isn’t it? Surely if Olympiastadion Munich never got a sponsor name, Berlin’s won’t either. Again, I am almost typing it with a straight face, as one can imagine Hertha has pushed for it, given the debt load they’ve been under.
I think the normal “rules” don’t really apply in relation to Bayer Leverkusen and VfL Wolfsburg–These are teams that simply wouldn’t exist in anything remotely resembling their current form without their corporate overseers, if you will. I always become alarmed when Leverkusen is on the rise, because there is sort of a structual limit to what they can achieve in my view (I grant this is a very debatable point, looking back a few years)-but this ultimately hurts the entire Bundesliga as a whole, because that’s a recipe for a bad UEFA-coefficient season.
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Luke, now it’s time to cover the other batch of your comments:
2. It would be unfortunate, if they turn out to be as injury prone. Though Deisler also struggled with the pressure and expectations heaped upon him and I hope everyone learned a lesson here. Bayern does an excellent job shielding Kroos from the public so far, which is important as I don’t think the media could stop their hype and expectations machine, which in case of Kroos is running already anyway.4. It was against Werder Bremen II in the DFB-Pokal. Mario Gomez really likes to play against Werder it seems.:-)
6. Yup, it’s Bielefeld but they would have converted one of their chances against a goat. You might be right about the large rodent. So Neuer deserves some credit. I don’t expect Schalke to mount a serious challenge on the CL places anyway, but they are still capable of playing better football than they do at the moment. And they should, to have at least a fighting chance in the CL quarter-final.
9. Phil Schoen has his moments. I liked it when he realised Bielefeld had a player called Petr Gabriel, then made a Genesis remark and Ray Hudson didn’t even bother reacting.:-) I usually don’t mind correct pronunciation too much, because I’m certain lots of the names of foreign players are pronounced wrong all the time as well. I’m also almost never putting the correct accents on Ze Roberto or Ribery and others, so I don’t mind people writing Jurgen Klinsmann and Jogi Low as well. Just to give another example. There are limits to being picky if you blog international football.:-) The whole Karlsruher/Hamburger thing always catches my eye as well, but for people who never had one German grammar lesson, it’s unfair to expect to get it right. Especially reading about hamburgers in the English football press is annoying though.
10. Bundesliga stadiums (both divisions) need to have a minimum capacity of 15000, so I assume Hoffenheim already received a special permission from the DFL which would be valid for the Bundesliga as well. I would have liked to see Hoffenheim getting ‘relocated’ to Heidelberg, but there was some argy bargy over it. Mannheim might have been a good choice as well. Will be interesting to see whether the club can win over fans from those cities in the future.
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Colman, good point about Bayer and Bayern as well. Anyway, Bayer Leverkusen is the only club in Germany, that is named after a company, so it’s easy to assume that Bayern is just another club prefix in Germany and that Bayer is a typo. Anyway, Chris (aka Johnny) has already suggested some sort of vocabulary training feature for the Bundesliga Offside and I then told him what a great idea it was and never touched it again. But I might finally get it done.:-)
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Diana, since moving to digital sat I actually get DW TV as well, so I might finally check out what this show is all about. OK, presumably Bundesliga, but for Lulu’s sake I’ll still try to watch it.
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Abby, Luke already explained most aspects of why Stuttgart might already be ahead of Bremen. It’s also worth mentioning that the first vs the third ranked team in the Bundesliga gets more Champions League money. I’m sure the Daimler stadium also has far more hospitality/VIP areas due to FIFA’s World Cup demands. If you pay attention to the advertising boards on the sidelines during their matches, you’ll also get an idea what type of sponsors Stuttgart can rely on in their area (as in: Porsche). Stuttgart have also finally fought off the track and field community, who’ll move to a smaller ground, so the Daimler stadium can be turned into a pure football stadium with a Frankfurt like roof and video cube. Unless steel costs drive this project ad absurdum as well.
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Luke, Bayer Leverkusen and Wolfsburg are something of a specialty of the Bundesliga. You are absolutely right about the structural limits of those clubs. The old Bayer Leverkusen, that reached the CL final was living beyond its means, so the new Bayer which is building a team of promising youngsters is much more realistic as well. Though, in that sense you could say the same about Bremen and their structural limits. So, you could argue that these teams currently block the top spots in the league and thus effectively slow down or harm the growth opportunities of all the sleeping giants, who don’t yet have the funds to build competitive squads, but whose growth perspectives are far far beyond the likes of Leverkusen. So, for the sake of having true top teams who reach the financial heights of Bayern you should root for Hamburg and Schalke to take the CL spots. But it’s a sport after all and Bremen and Leverkusen absolutely deserve being where they are. They also play the most entertaining football at the moment actually.
Ideally Leverkusen, Wolfsburg and eventually Hoffenheim would be a great addition to the Bundesliga, when they add depth and quality to the league on top of the big cities.
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Jan, since there’s no Bundesliga coverage on the TV over here (meh, even Bayern’s Asian tour at the end of this season only excites me for a while given Indonesia is one of the club’s stops and the country is just down south over where I live), that is the next best thing in terms of a Bundesliga preview show for me. That’s what it’s mainly about.
‘On The Spot’ is an interview segment. It’s my most favourite segement on Bundesliga Kick Off actually.
DW’s website has a page on what this week’s programme has - http://www.dw-world.de/dw/0,2142,8293,00.html
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