Political or Personal: Ashkahn Dejagah’s Refusal to play against Israel

By: Jan | October 10th, 2007

There’s a story that has quickly generated a lot of buzz in Germany. VfL Wolfsburg’s Ashkahn Dejagah was originally nominated by U21 coach Dieter Eilts to play in a Euro qualifier against Israel in Tel Aviv on Friday, but the German-Iranian asked the coach to leave him out of the squad for personal reasons. This was followed by a report of the tabloid paper Bild, with a contradictory quote by Dejagah:

There are political reasons. Everyone knows I’m a German Iranian.

The hint of a politically/ideologically motivated boycott has caused quite stir, with both politicians and the Central Council of Jews in Germany voicing their concerns and asking for a ban from the national team. DFB president Theo Zwanziger who had previously accepted Dejagah’s request on behalf of the player’s personal concerns, has now announced to take a closer look, and stated:

My fundamental position and the position of the DFB are quite clear, however. We will not tolerate a German national player cancelling his participation in an international match because of his world view. A player who wears our team strip must identify with this country and its values. Otherwise one has to do without him.

And I agree with this notion, should Dejagah indeed sympathise with the antisemitic and Holocaust denying regime in Iran. But there is fairly little evidence for that, except for a clumsy remark, which is coming from a tabloid paper that likes to take things out of context or rewrite quotes all the way. He might have called it “political reasons”, to point at the current situation in Iran, instead of agreeing with the regime’s agenda on Israel. He is actually on record as saying to the BZ newspaper:

I have nothing against Israel. But I’m worried about having problems later when traveling to Iran.

And that’s a valid point. There is actually a law in Iran, that makes it a criminal offence to travel to Israel, punished with a prison sentence of up to two years. Now, as a German citizen he shouldn’t be concerned about such a law, but he also has an Iranian passport, and fears legal charges against him, if he visits his family in Iran. Apart from that he is also concerned about possible actions that could be taken against his family.

A difficult situation, further complicated by the very sensitive relationship between Germany and Israel.

I currently give Dejagah the benefit of the doubt, that he only has concerns over his personal and his family’s safety, and thus can understand his decision.

UPDATE: Deutsche Welle has published two opinion pieces, looking at Dejagah’s decision from different angles.
Opinion: Soccer Player Within His Rights to Boycott Israel
Opinion: Dejagah’s Attitudes at Odds with Sportsmanship

MORE UPDATES: Deutsche Welle has published reader reactions, with a slight majority sharing the view, that Dejagah should no longer be allowed to play for a German national team.
Readers: Soccer Player Should Focus on the Game, Not Politics


There seems to be a general split between people in the way they interpret his comments to the press.

The blog Football is for the Madman says, that there is no real evidence that Dejagah has an antisemitic mindset and criticises the way the press leaves out important details when reporting about the story. He also points out the ambiguity of his ‘political reasons’ statement

An opinion piece from globeandmail.com doesn’t share this view.

If Mr. Dejagah is conducting a one-man sporting boycott of Israel in order to make a political statement – and he did later cite “political reasons” in one interview – he is a willing dupe of the brutal and anti-Semitic regime in Tehran. (Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a Holocaust-denier who has called for Israel to be “wiped off the map.”) Alternatively, he is a simple coward who places his concerns over possible future travel inconveniences ahead of loyalty to his teammates and his adopted country, and any ideals of sportsmanship he might claim.

Unsurprisingly the Iranian press started to exploit the case, and the Iranian sports magazine Goal called his decision heroic and masterful. (Times Online).

The international edition of Der Spiegel provides an overview of the commentary by parts of the German press:

The left-leaning Die Tageszeitung writes:

“Naturally Dieter Graumann is right when he says that ‘it is inconceivable and impossible that a national team player initiates a private boycott of Jews.’ But is that what Ashkan Dejagah has done? He has cited ‘personal reasons’ for asking to be left out of the international match. If the Iranians wanted to, for whatever reason, they could mercilessly exploit the Dejagah case. Dejagah knows this and he has good reason to fear it.”

“Naturally one would have been pleased if Dejagah had made a stand against this inhumane regime that is permanently campaigning against Israel, and had played there. But you can’t demand that he do so when he has family in Tehran.”

“It would be incorrect to immediately assume that he has a fundamental dislike of Jews. … People should keep in mind the reasons behind Dejagah’s decision. And they should seriously think about whether they would like to accept the responsibility for what would have happened if he had played.”

The center-left Süddeutsche Zeitung writes:

“Dejagah could have wrangled his way out of the game with a conveniently timed injury … Instead he opened his big mouth and said he couldn’t go for ‘political reasons.’”

“One can imagine how great his fear is that his relatives in Iran might be persectued (if he played). And how great his fear is that he would not be able to travel to Iran with an Israeli stamp in his passport.”

“His close friends know who Ashkan Dejagah fears the most in this matter. Not the regime in Tehran, but his father in Berlin. The family has lived in Berlin for 20 years but it is no secret that Mohammad Dejagah would have preferred to see his son in the Iranian team uniform rather than the German one. (According to media reports, Mohammad Dejagah has told the Iranian state news agency IRNA that he would like to see his son playing on the Tehran’s national team.) Their new country has not become a real home for the family. Dejagah’s case is, above all, a typical Berlin example of failed integration.”

The conservative Die Welt writes:

“No one has to be a hero, you can’t enforce civil courage. You can understand that Dejagah is afraid to play on Friday in the match against Israel … Dejagah could have given many excuses to stay away from the game unobtrusively.”

“He is reported to have said ‘I have more Iranian than German blood in my veins.’ One doesn’t have to accept that. A national player represents his nation — he is neither an international nor a dual citizenship player.”

“The young man has revealed an important dilemma in the immigration society. There are many immigrants … who maintain a completely functional relationship to their new home. … They often demand full civil rights but then, after they get them, they still feel foreign. And they often feel a deep loyalty to their old home and to the blood in their veins.”

In more naive times this double orientation was lauded as enriching society: two identities … were better than one. Dejagah has now emphatically shown that unclear loyalties can be a danger to a free society.”





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  • Inara |  October 10th, 2007 at 12:36 pm

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    The first op-ed makes a good point - if the situation had been about a German-Israeli player not wanting to go to Tehran for safety reasons, no one would care.

    It’s not like Dejagah is refusing to speak to Jewish teammates or not wanting to play against Israel in another country anyway.

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  • Jan |  October 10th, 2007 at 7:09 pm

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    Yup, I think the first op-ed is generally very insightful and understanding of the unique problems someone with an immigration background faces. Asking a 21 year old football player to make a brave gesture against the Iranian regime and thus risking not to be able to visit his family again, is asking a bit much IMHO, because it’s really just one U21 Euro qualifying match and Dejagah won’t be able to play for U21 anymore in a couple of months anyway.

    It’s sad that this type of hate ideology has so much influence on a German player’s decisions though.

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  • Maurice |  October 10th, 2007 at 7:28 pm

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    I think Dejagah’s situation is very, very unfortunate. Having said that, I still do not think that anyone should be his (and his family, for that matter)apologist. What is transpiring is yet another example, at least in my opinion, of the need for countries, especially, Germany,to eradicate the notion of dual citizenship. Hypothetically speaking, had he been a government official slated to go on an official trip to Isreal, would he have backed out on the same grounds? If so, what does that tell native Germans about that person. In my humble opinion, I think if you take up a country’s citizenship then live it.

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  • Jan |  October 10th, 2007 at 10:16 pm

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    It seems that you can’t simply give up your Iranian citizenship or give back your Iranian passport. A parliament member with Iranian roots has talked about the issue in a German newspaper. He fully shares and supports Germany’s stance on Israel but if he travels to Israel with a delegation, he would face criminal charges when he travels to Iran.

    Though having said that, I also read an article from a middle east correspondent, who details how this stupid rule is handled silently. The German government actually is willing to hand out two passports. One can be used to travel to Israel, the other can be used to travel to Arabian countries who hate Israel. All you have to do is use the second passport and lie about whether you have ever been to Israel. This option wouldn’t have worked for Dejagah though. Whether he had backed out or not, the media attention would have probably been too big, to make this option work.

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  • Maurice |  October 11th, 2007 at 11:08 am

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    Again, I appreciate the candor and civility displayed in this forum regarding Dejagah’s plight and the undeniable furor its sparked, not only within Germany and Europe, but also worldwide. In saying this, I think everyone also needs to look at the big picture and its inherent significance. Furthermore, let me unequivocally articulate here that I am not a nativist or ideologue, nor do I have any personal animus against any ethnic group. What I seek to highlight is the paralysis and lack of will by people in the west to confront issues that merit addressing.
    In reply to Jan’s latest posting (which was, respectfully, very insightful but not convincing to me), your opening sentence literally sets the stage for my argument that the ideals and values of Dejagah’s other country (Iran) are disturbingly mutually exclusive with those of his adopted homeland (Germany); and unfortunately, he is a purveyor of such. In Germany, individualism, respect for human rights and equality, trump national identity or any religious dogma, and these values are protected with zeal; and so is in the United States and other western nations. The people that are being held hostage, and sadly getting the short end of the stick are Germans themselves. Moreover, I also think that anyone that attempts to rationalize Dejagah’s plight is essentially attempting to be his apologist — and here is why I see it that way. Can anyone in this forum tell me what to make of his premeditated retort (apparently to a newspaper)that he (Dejagah)has more Persian or Iranian blood (which is true, anyway) flowing in his veins than German blood? If this is accurate, then where does his true allegiance reside? Moreover, why the hell did he pursue German citizenship in the first place. So, if he feels more Iranian, why doesn’t he go back to Iran and fully commit to playing for the Mullah regime instead of Germany. In a few words: Exploiting “dumb” westerners goodwill.

    Please pardon me for my seeming indiscretion to multicultural sensitivities. Sometimes you are better off just calling things as they are. Please give me your thoughts!!!

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  • Jan |  October 11th, 2007 at 7:17 pm

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    The reason why I am acting as his apologist is, because I haven’t seen enough proof that his ideals and values equal the Iranian regime’s wrong idea of values and ideals.

    And even if Dejagah identifies more with his Iranian heritage than with his upbringing in Germany, then the following rule applies: Iranian doesn’t equal anti-Semitic or anything that the regime in Tehran might stand for.

    His ‘blood’ argument is very critical nonetheless, because it’s wrong to connect culture and heritage with blood. My blood doesn’t make me German, and his blood doesn’t make him German-Iranian. Above all it’s somewhat Nazi tainted speak.

    But as you said, if he feels more Iranian than German, why does he play for the German national team then? Maybe he’s just an opportunist and fancies the idea of playing in a Euro and World Cup final which is unlikely to happen with Iran. Maybe he hasn’t decided yet. I think he can still switch as long as he didn’t play for the senior squad. But those are general immigration/integration questions which again don’t need to be connected to his world views. But since you are also pointing at specific immigration/multicultural issues it’s worth looking at them as well. I just wanted to clearly separate them from ideological issues (which doesn’t mean they can’t play a part)

    I’ll do so in my next comment, as I have to go away from the computer for a moment.

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  • Maurice |  October 11th, 2007 at 9:40 pm

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    Jan,
    Thanks for the timely/prompt posting in the forum; again, I am eagerly looking forward to your extrapolation on the issue(s) that you raised above. Anyway, I utterly agree with you that being Iranian does not constitute anti-semitism. However, in Dejagah’s case, there is a serious flaw/conundrum: You cannot claim relief or extricate yourself from the ideals, values and the world view of the malevolent, theocratic ideology in Tehran against Jewish Isreal, when you let yourself be at the mercy of their dictates, for instance — this very public boycott of anything Israel.

    Consequently, his acquiescing to their dictates (boycott) makes him a purveyor of their hate. This young man is an adult, nonetheless; he knows or should have known what is right from wrong…what is morally ethical from unethical behavior, especially since he professes to have been raised in Germany. If not, am afraid to say that he represents a classic case of opportunism at the expense of Germany’s cultural embrace thats predicated in the belief of the vibrancy of multiculturalism. Please feel free to disabuse me of any bias, where necessary.

    Looking forward to reading your arguments for and against!!!!

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  • Jan |  October 12th, 2007 at 12:04 pm

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    >Consequently, his acquiescing to their dictates (boycott)
    >makes him a purveyor of their hate.

    Doesn’t that hold true then to all people who live in Iran and who aren’t sitting in prison?

    You would have a difficult case in front of most courts, if you present a testimony that was given under the threat of force. And the threat of a two year prison sentence to force Iranians not to travel to Israel falls into that category.

    And you could probably even argue that Dejagah’s case has in a way helped to publicly demonstrate to western countries with what type of regime they are dealing with.

    >If not, am afraid to say that he represents a classic case of
    >opportunism at the expense of Germany’s cultural embrace thats
    >predicated in the belief of the vibrancy of multiculturalism.

    Time to collect my thoughts on the whole immigration/multicultural issue. My opinions aren’t written in stone on that one, because there’s so many different facets to the problem.

    Obviously a happy sappy multicultural society is as utopic as the idea of world peace. You will have conflicts. If Multiculturalism just meant that your dinner, drink and taste in music differs, it wouldn’t cause much trouble, but it gets very complicated if different believe systems clash.

    For the sake of an example I will assume that Dejagah is using personal concerns just as an excuse to hide the fact that he feels allegiance to Iran and their regime. Or that he acts to please his father, who feels this allegiance. This would indeed be a typical example of failed integration, and Germany faces many such problems. The most extreme example would be the recent terror plot-bust-up. Those people who planned to build bombs destined for some American embassy were Germans (with immigration background) who had grown up in this country, but radicalised their world views and decided to go against what their country stands for.

    But then again, there are also Germans (without immigration background) who radicalise their world views and decide to go against what their country stands for as well (far right extremists for example).

    Both groups are feasting on western societies “goodwill” if you want to call it that way. They enjoy the advantage of living in democracies that protect their shrewd views of the world to some extent (freedom of speech is limited in Germany if it involves Holocaust denial and such things).

    You could say: hey if those immigrants don’t identify themselves with their host countries then they should go back to where they come from. But were do we put the Neo-Nazis or other maniacs then? There’s no Neo-Naziland we can send them to. Instead it’s up to the government to offer those people who are vulnerable to hate ideologies (stereotypically: lowly educated with little sense of control over their own lives and no long term job perspectives) help. In the same way you can argue that it’s also up to the government to help/force immigrants to integrate. Things like making language courses mandatory. Children of immigrants struggle in school if they don’t master the German language properly, which in return causes them severe problems to find better jobs later on. Germany’s immigration laws had generally been very liberal in the past. Which didn’t necessarily help the immigrants. They didn’t stop anyone from learning the language and culture, but you could chose not to do it as well.

    There are obviously also problems with different value systems: a recent study revealed that teenagers with russian or turkish immigration backgrounds are decidedly more homophobic than teenagers without immigration background, which can be connected to religious beliefs and different ideas of the male role in society. These nations missed out on the women’s right, gay right etc. movements of the sixties and seventies in the western world.

    Lots of little problems, lots of work. ;-)

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  • Maurice |  October 12th, 2007 at 7:14 pm

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    Jan:

    I think its time I told you a little bit about myself and why I have the view(s)that I do. Based on the postings we’ve exchanged through this forum, if you had to guess my background, what race or ethnic group, or religion, for that matter, do you think I belong in__________? I reckon you’d get it wrong…and here is why — Because you will not meet a lot of people from my background that exercise the kind intellectual independence and not kow-tow to the social political-correctness that is increasingly pervasive in most societies today.

    First of, I am a graduate Mathematics student who has been living in the States for the last eight years; I am black by ethnicity, and originally hail from Kenya (still a citizen of Kenya and no other country). For the last eight years, I have carefully studied the social-political discourse in the States as well as in Europe. When I was younger (I am 27 now), I lived and actually played soccer as a U-14 and on to 18 in the Dana Cup in Denmark; Gothia Cup in Sweden; and, finally, Norway Cup in Norway. Norway, in particular, is like home to me. I also played for the Senior Kenya National Soccer team ‘97-’99. Finally, I have also been to Frankfurt, Germany.

    Now, why do I give you all this spiel? because I want you to have a sense that I am not some deranged White ideologue masquerading as an impartial guy. And there is also a very cogent reason: I immensely worry for Europeans and, most especially, I worry for the very existence of vibrant White societies across Europe. Not only that,I also bemoan the quagmire that historically, and predominantly homegeneous White societies now find themselves in — multiculturalism (and I am going to explain why…). This might seem a far-fetched perspective in a sense, however I staunchily believe in what the late prolific Italian Author Orianna Fallaci once decried in mid-1995. She wrote: “That Europe has long sold its soul through uncontrolled immigration. She went on to say…and I am very sorry if this insults you sensibilities–verbatim: “That Islam and most of its adherents, is like a pool that never purifies and will invariably remain incompatible with western ideals and social values.” Of course, I agree that not all of her views are readily supportable; however, a great majority of them see western values as morally deprave and asymmetric to their social and religious belief systems.Even though, these very nations, like Germany, habor, clothe, and feed them (to a great deal through your generous social welfare system(s), while trying hard to mask the fact that integration/assimilation is a failed policy.

    Before I go on, let me counter some of your aforementioned arguments about Dejagah which you stated above. In answering your third sentence, at the moment, it does not make the people that are still in Iran purveyors of hate– and here is why? These people haven’t had the chance like Dejagah to live in a free society like Germany; so in essence, no one can accuse them of being purveyors of hate. In fact, a great majority of them thirst for liberation from the Mullahs in Tehran.

    What really is the definition of a nation (like Germany)? In my opinion, a nation is like a living soul. For a nation to endure, its people must form a moral and social community and share higher values than economic interests (something most immigrants only care about and none other). In Catholic doctrine (I am Catholic, just so you know)death occurs when the soul departs the body, after which the body begins to decompose. So it is with nations. Patriotism is the soul of a nation. It is what keeps a nation alive. When patriotism dies, when a nation loses the love and loyalty of its people, the nation dies and begins to decompose. Dejagah and for that matter, most immigrants (like the Turkish diapora with honor killings, etc.,)in Germany, do not leave a lot of people with a differing perspective(s). Look at what is currently happening in Sweden, Britain, Holland, Denmark, Norway, France, etc., Or for that matter, the EU. In truth, no modern European Nation has ever assimilated a huge cohort of immigrants, let alone tens of millions of Muslims. Not one. From predominatly Islam nations are pouring into Europe (through a liberal immigration systems –look at what Sweden is doing and the kind of problems that it has attracted lately–high rape incidences, increased robberies, forced marriages…all within immigrant communities that are hardenend to assimilation)and do not wish to give up their Arab and Islamic identities and cultures and become Europeans. And most adhere to a faith that is historically hostile to Christianity that grows in militancy and recoils from a secularized, sex-saturated European culture.

    Furthermore, the issue of home-grown militancy or radicalism is something that is by and large fuelled by the frustration of natives who see this as an invasion, especially when such a people refuse to integrate and instead continue to exploit western hospitality. Native radicals can be controlled, however, people that are immigrants are a danger to their host nations when they bring their calcified world views to their host nations and continue their shameful opportunism. Thats where there is a concern.

    Jan, I hope to carry this conversation further here in a couple of hours. Give me your thoughts!!!!

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  • Chris Murphy |  October 12th, 2007 at 8:29 pm

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    I think this whole thing is ridiculous and it took me a while to figure out my thoughts and put them in my blog (http://bundesliga-talk.blogspot.com), but I did. The problem here is that fundamentalists on any side of the issue are being given the world’s greatest soap box to parade these myriad of ideas to us (like they don’t get to do that 24-7 anyway). I think the DFB made the right decision and I personally hope Dejagah finds is difficult to continue playing in Germany.

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  • chris |  October 12th, 2007 at 10:22 pm

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    Maurice, I like your thought and passion conveyed by an expansive lexicon, but much of what you say is a generalization of a situation(s) defined by relativity.

    I won’t pretend to be well-versed in global political ideologies or immigration laws, impacts, stereotypes or any other label one could piggy-back. I too was a math major, but my electives and extracurricular activities obviously varied greatly from yours, and I am in fact in the midst, or beginning, of my athletic career as well. So we’re seemingly a lot alike in those respects. But my value bedrock has always been based on originality and fresh relativity where the impact lies more in the veil than the dense jungle of syntax.

    For the issue at hand, the blame lies in two palms, at least for me: Dejagah’s for making this public, and failing to realize the consequences of his statements and/or actions. I agree with his decision, and when it comes to a matter of personal safety, well-being or freedom, most notably when dictating the direct reaction absorbed by one’s family, then the beliefs of his adopted nation should hold no bearing on either his decision making or his conscience. Put any of the detractors crying out for his proverbial head on a platter in the same position and their words become much less meaningful and actions much different. Also, this is apparently not politically-based on his part (I don’t buy his contradicting statements), so why turn it into the three-ringed ideological circus? (As Die Welt said, “Dejagah could have given many excuses to stay away from the game unobtrusively.”) Take an example from the past, “tweak a thigh”, keep things in-house and move on. You, as a former athlete, know better than anyone: clean your laundry at home. A mantra we all live by, especially when the press is within earshot. His “What” and his “Why” do not match up here. He wanted his cake, he wanted to eat it as well, now it’s all over his face. A perfect example.

    On the other hand I feel the DFB is at fault, and this quote specifically boggles the mind: “A player who wears our team strip must identify with this country and its values.” Is this not the antithesis of a “free society”. Is a free society not based on ideological and political freedom? Where one is free to express his or her own disapproval of the masses, the majority, the minority or whomever they feel ambivalent to on a certain issue?

    To me, this is a much greater issue if he appeals to be dropped in a game against Israel either on neutral or “home” (German) ground. The issue is traveling to a country which could impact his life negatively and potentially that of his family. That, to me, is entirely justifiable and within his right as a citizen of any country. This is not “taking advantage” of a compromising and hospitable nation which bought him aboard. If, of course, that is truly his reason behind it - obviously I’m not 100% convinced, but I’ll see this at face value. He appears to be doing a lot of verbal back-tracking and obtaining the cause from the previously acquired result - an art that comes to most athletes as easily as passing a ball or making a tackle (guilty). Bluntly, he also appears to be an idiot.

    In the end, in each day that passes, it’s clear globalization is failing. Unfortunately, as true with most great ideas: good in theory, poor in practice. But I don’t think this can be blown out into an issue of significance when regarding immigration laws or the demise of white Western Europe. That’s breaking in the back window to get into the front door, no? Can this be considered an issue based on the impact of, say, Iranian extremism on emigrants relocating to the Western world? Absolutely. But this is an extreme case, one based on the skewed reasoning of one mentally pin-balling individual, and I really do not see how it applies to the emigrants from the majority of global nations. Just as the Iranian and German ideologies are different, each human group is as well - situations unfold accordingly.

    “Native radicals can be controlled, however, people that are immigrants are a danger to their host nations when they bring their calcified world views to their host nations and continue their shameful opportunism.”

    I’d agree with you if this matter was reliant upon this view (I do agree in general), but everything appears as though Dejagah decided on playing the “blood” and “political ideologies” cards at step 7, rather than starting at Go (maybe my timeline is off, but that’s how it appears). To me this is much more psychological than political. At least the original issue is (Dejagah’s refusal), and the German political backlash was the heffer which knocked over Mrs. O’Leary’s lantern.

    That said, I agree with 99% of what you say, I just can’t agree the massive political upheaval in Germany is justified or that this is the global issue it’s being made to be in direct relation to this case. Can this bring about the “what ifs” and the “well, what about this angle…”? Sure. But Dejagah’s decision is not global. Anyways, glad to have something more substantive than boobs here at the offside (also guilty). And like I said, I’m far froom an expert, so I could be entirely off base.

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  • Jan |  October 13th, 2007 at 5:11 pm

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    Maurice:
    “That Islam and most of its adherents, is like a pool that never purifies and will invariably remain incompatible with western ideals and social values.”
    I don’t think so. I went to school with and studied with people from Turkish or Iranian families and they had a very casual and relaxed relationship to their religion. So, should as this author claims Islam not be able to adopt to modern societies, then there are still the people who can do so - who can choose to be a bit more liberal with all those rules and possible interpretations of Islam.

    “…while trying hard to mask the fact that integration/assimilation is a failed policy.”

    You can’t call something a failed policy before you haven’t even installed a policy. Germany failed to notice the problems that immigration can bring with it earlier, and it failed to react to it. This is something that is changing at the moment.

    “These people haven’t had the chance like Dejagah to live in a free society like Germany; so in essence, no one can accuse them of being purveyors of hate.”

    And a free society can’t force people into martyrdom either.

    I agree with you about all the problems European countries face at the moment. Especially forced marriages and honour killings have made negative headlines in Germany recently. Though different to your view, I’m not sure that these incidents warrant a fatalistic attitude regarding Muslims in western societies.

    Chris Murphy:
    The indefinite suspension of Dejagah was false information published by the press. The DFB plans to talk to Dejagah after the international break to clarify the situation and then decide on his future.

    Very good point about all the U21 players who are Muslims.

    chris:
    ““A player who wears our team strip must identify with this
    country and its values.” Is this not the antithesis of a “free
    society”. Is a free society not based on ideological and
    political freedom? Where one is free to express his or her own
    disapproval of the masses, the majority, the minority or whomever they feel ambivalent to on a certain issue?”

    The word values can carry so many meanings. And it’s the first time I heard the DFB president state such requirements for the national team. And the only reason he did that is because Dejagah’s case deals with Israel. The DFB doesn’t ask a player to support a certain political party, religion, whatever and it has never played a role. But with anything that has to do with freedom of speech in Germany, there is one exception were this freedom is limited: you can’t be either a Nazi or someone who questions Israel’s right to exist and whether the Holocaust actually took place and play for the German national team. You can’t publish books in Germany in which you claim to prove that the Holocaust was a Zionistic conspiracy lie against Germany or whatever either. That’s what he meant with “must identify with the countries values”.

    “Bluntly, he also appears to be an idiot.”
    Someone should have added that to the discussion much earlier.:-)

    “I just can’t agree the massive political upheaval in Germany is justified ”
    I don’t think it’s justified either. There’s basically a split between people who buy it that he has personal reasons, and those who ignore statements like “I don’t have a problem with Israel”, and just dig their nose deep into this clumsy “It has political reasons”. Though, to be honest even if I find this upheaval unjustified, it’s OK in a sense that it doesn’t send out an easy to misunderstand message. The tiresome backlash of stereotypes likes “the Germans are at it again / they will never learn / it’s 1933 all over again” gets minimised this way.

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  • Maurice |  October 17th, 2007 at 6:31 pm

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    Jan,

    First of, my apologies for not responding sooner to your last missive about the Ashkan’s issue — I had to take a unannounced sabbatical to get some matters taken care of… but now am back!!!
    Well, again, I recognize your cautious approach to this issue (And by the way, I just read a story that the DFB has decided not to punish Ashkan).

    Just to respond to your reply to my earlier posting — Yes, I recognize that even Orianna Fallaci’s observation about the impact of Islam and/or Muslims in Europe was wholesome and a bit unfair to those that have made great efforts to integrate. On the same note, emigrants also ought to understand that Germany is not an immigrant nation like ‘Old Glory’(The USA), but rather a nation that integrates. I know there are some, actually many (immigrants), that are very moderate/liberal and remain quite cognizant of the opportunies inherent, not only economical, but also social in many, predominatly white societies/nations.

    We all know that hindsight is perfect. In retrospect, forty years on since the first Gastarbeiter - “Guest Workers” 1960’s- was implemented, latest German polls show that many Germans believe that their parents (am reflexively assuming this refers to native Germans) made a terrible and tragic mistake. For instance,look at what has become of Kreuzberg (”Little Istanbul”)-Berlin? Radicalism is rife among more and more young muslims that are moving ever further away from identification with Germany and the West. Its also evident that there are two Germans on opposite sides seperated by economics as well as ethnicity and culture. Overall, unemployment is about 10-12 percent in Germany; however, among Immigrants, especially the Turks, it is 25 - 40 percent. Moreover, about 30 percent of students of Turkish descent drop out of high school and another 40 percent graduate in the Hauptshule.

    In my opinion, Germany’s crisis can be blamed on “Liberal multiculturalsm” and German’s guilt over Nazi’s crimes against minorities and Jews. This guilt is embedded in the national consciousness and causes Germans to recoil from demanding that immigrants speak their language and embrace their culture for fear of being labelled racist. Germans, or for that matter White people, should not be made to make unnecessary concessions to immigrants that fail or are resistant to embracing their host nation’s traditions and culture, or for that matter be expected to pay penance forever.

    (Just so you know my position on Ashkan…I am glad that his argument prevailed and that he gets another chance to be a model immigrant)

    Anyway, I am running out of time so I have to leave — I will be back to extrapolate on my thoughts some more. Stay tuned!!!!

    –I also make a point of replying back to Chris tomorrow–

    Posted from United States United States

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  • Jan |  October 22nd, 2007 at 7:04 am

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    Sorry, I didn’t get back to you earlier. You obviously know a lot about the whole issue and are also aware of the difficult situation in Germany and why Germany has/had so liberal immigration laws, so I don’t have anything to add to that. Though, as I had said before, while you can bemoan the willingness to integrate and possibly a lack of respect for the host nations that give them an economically better life, a nation also has to do it’s homework. For historical reasons Germany struggled to tackle the issue earlier, but it’s actively discussed ATM and I hope that this helps in the long run.

    There is a general incompatibility between ultraconservative Muslims and liberal Westerners, but people can change. Give them a better education, language skills and economic perspective and all of a sudden a very rigid interpretation of any ideology no longer appears too attractive.

    Posted from Germany Germany

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